Comments on: Are you a warrior or a soldier? http://www.gymjunkies.com/discipline/ Workout routines, video tutorials and fitness articles that produce results Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:41:29 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Junqin Li http://www.gymjunkies.com/discipline/comment-page-1/#comment-5068 Junqin Li Mon, 12 Apr 2010 04:11:38 +0000 http://www.gymjunkies.com/?p=850#comment-5068 Your post makes a very important distinction between obedience and discipline. Seems to me that all disciplined people are obedient but not all obedient people are disciplined. Thanks for the great insight! Your post makes a very important distinction between obedience and discipline. Seems to me that all disciplined people are obedient but not all obedient people are disciplined. Thanks for the great insight!

]]> By: Vic Magary http://www.gymjunkies.com/discipline/comment-page-1/#comment-1968 Vic Magary Thu, 07 May 2009 00:53:38 +0000 http://www.gymjunkies.com/?p=850#comment-1968 Nate, no apology necessary and I don't see your comment as a rant at all. I was in the Army from 1998 - 2001. I got out less than 30 days before 9/11. I too was in the Infantry (11M). My experience was during peace time only and I'll never discount the bravery or loyalty of those serving in war. However I maintain that during my peace time experience I saw very little discipline among soldiers; what I saw was compliance out of fear of punishment. And the only time I saw any enlisted guys have the flexibility to discard practices that were ineffective was during a two week training rotation I did with 10th Group SF. That being said, I have deep respect for everyone who has sacrificed during our past several years at war. I don't like to link to my personal blog here at GymJunkies, but this one time I think it is warranted. Click the link below to see a post I made regarding Veteran's Day: http://www.vicmagary.com/blog/personal/veterans-day/ My sincere thanks for your service. Nate, no apology necessary and I don’t see your comment as a rant at all. I was in the Army from 1998 – 2001. I got out less than 30 days before 9/11. I too was in the Infantry (11M).

My experience was during peace time only and I’ll never discount the bravery or loyalty of those serving in war. However I maintain that during my peace time experience I saw very little discipline among soldiers; what I saw was compliance out of fear of punishment. And the only time I saw any enlisted guys have the flexibility to discard practices that were ineffective was during a two week training rotation I did with 10th Group SF.

That being said, I have deep respect for everyone who has sacrificed during our past several years at war. I don’t like to link to my personal blog here at GymJunkies, but this one time I think it is warranted. Click the link below to see a post I made regarding Veteran’s Day:

http://www.vicmagary.com/blog/personal/veterans-day/

My sincere thanks for your service.

]]> By: Nate - Fit-Life http://www.gymjunkies.com/discipline/comment-page-1/#comment-1960 Nate - Fit-Life Wed, 06 May 2009 21:13:43 +0000 http://www.gymjunkies.com/?p=850#comment-1960 Vic, I'm not sure when you were in the Army or what your job description was, but as an Infantry officer I can tell you that modern Soldiers are Warriors. Soldiers live by the Warrior Ethos: I will always place the mission first. I will never accept defeat. I will never quit. I will never leave a fallen comrade. Is the military full of ridiculous rules? Absolutely. Do Soldiers live in fear of reprimand if they break these silly rules? Absolutely (well, most of them anyway). But all of these silly rules and fears go away once you find yourself in battle. The fear is real and the discipline that overcomes this fear sure as hell is real too. I have seen Soldiers do remarkable things in the face of great adversity. You said it well, "Warriors maintain practices that have helped them achieve their goals and discard practices that have proved ineffective. Warriors are disciplined." Soldiers do this every day to keep themselves and their friends alive. Soldiers are disciplined. Soldiers are Warriors. Sorry for the rant, Nate Vic,

I’m not sure when you were in the Army or what your job description was, but as an Infantry officer I can tell you that modern Soldiers are Warriors. Soldiers live by the Warrior Ethos:

I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.

Is the military full of ridiculous rules? Absolutely. Do Soldiers live in fear of reprimand if they break these silly rules? Absolutely (well, most of them anyway). But all of these silly rules and fears go away once you find yourself in battle. The fear is real and the discipline that overcomes this fear sure as hell is real too.

I have seen Soldiers do remarkable things in the face of great adversity. You said it well, “Warriors maintain practices that have helped them achieve their goals and discard practices that have proved ineffective. Warriors are disciplined.” Soldiers do this every day to keep themselves and their friends alive. Soldiers are disciplined. Soldiers are Warriors.

Sorry for the rant,

Nate

]]> By: Vic Magary http://www.gymjunkies.com/discipline/comment-page-1/#comment-624 Vic Magary Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:30:26 +0000 http://www.gymjunkies.com/?p=850#comment-624 Thanks guys! I really appreciate all of the great comments, they make all of this writing worth it! -Vic Thanks guys!

I really appreciate all of the great comments, they make all of this writing worth it!

-Vic

]]> By: Banjomin http://www.gymjunkies.com/discipline/comment-page-1/#comment-481 Banjomin Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:16:19 +0000 http://www.gymjunkies.com/?p=850#comment-481 Wow! Sounds like a lost letter to the Corinthians. Great stuff! I'm so glad I found this site. Wow! Sounds like a lost letter to the Corinthians. Great stuff! I’m so glad I found this site.

]]> By: Susan http://www.gymjunkies.com/discipline/comment-page-1/#comment-461 Susan Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:59:56 +0000 http://www.gymjunkies.com/?p=850#comment-461 "Discipline is the willingness to do what you must do in order to achieve your goals even when you don't want to do it." I've forgotten the source, but it's the best definition of discipline I've ever heard. Since I'm seriously overweight (ok, obese) and have only recently started to do something about it, it has become something of a mantra to get me out of bed & into the gym before work everyday. Great site, great info. Thanks for the no-nonsense inspiration! “Discipline is the willingness to do what you must do in order to achieve your goals even when you don’t want to do it.” I’ve forgotten the source, but it’s the best definition of discipline I’ve ever heard. Since I’m seriously overweight (ok, obese) and have only recently started to do something about it, it has become something of a mantra to get me out of bed & into the gym before work everyday.

Great site, great info. Thanks for the no-nonsense inspiration!

]]> By: Dave.A http://www.gymjunkies.com/discipline/comment-page-1/#comment-276 Dave.A Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:19:24 +0000 http://www.gymjunkies.com/?p=850#comment-276 finally someone who speaks plain English just started weight lifting and out of all the sites yours as go to be the best!!! so much so that i've made it my home page.... finally someone who speaks plain English just started weight lifting and out of all the sites yours as go to be the best!!! so much so that i’ve made it my home page….

]]> By: Troy http://www.gymjunkies.com/discipline/comment-page-1/#comment-229 Troy Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:16:05 +0000 http://www.gymjunkies.com/?p=850#comment-229 Awesome post. Now for the obligatory: "This is Sparta!" Awesome post. Now for the obligatory: “This is Sparta!”

]]> By: Yavor http://www.gymjunkies.com/discipline/comment-page-1/#comment-228 Yavor Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:46:21 +0000 http://www.gymjunkies.com/?p=850#comment-228 Discipline, daily habits and rituals, the will power to do the right stuff because of the big picture - all qualities that are too underrated nowadays. Regular folks seem to consider it outdated to have personal habits, schedules, goals. But then again, regular folks live regular lives. Yavor Discipline, daily habits and rituals, the will power to do the right stuff because of the big picture – all qualities that are too underrated nowadays. Regular folks seem to consider it outdated to have personal habits, schedules, goals.

But then again, regular folks live regular lives.

Yavor

]]> By: Hugo http://www.gymjunkies.com/discipline/comment-page-1/#comment-221 Hugo Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:21:44 +0000 http://www.gymjunkies.com/?p=850#comment-221 Wow! well said and what a great example. If I could instil this message into all my clients then perhaps they would train more readily on their own and not just when I am barking orders at them. Brilliant post Vic! All the best Hugo Wow! well said and what a great example. If I could instil this message into all my clients then perhaps they would train more readily on their own and not just when I am barking orders at them.

Brilliant post Vic!

All the best

Hugo

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